Supporting Ubuntu

Asked by john hurleston

I have now had my Ubuntu for a few years and I have now come to the conclusion that it is time that I started to give back to the community and at the same time start learning about the inside, so I have open a website called: www.guia-linux.com (I am pleased to say that using the two important key words [ubuntu marbella] I am on the first page of google.

My intention here is first introduce the world of linux to my clients on my hub of 30 domian names,
then I want to introduce them to Ubuntu, stupidly as it may sound I still consider my self to be a beginner, So I thought that the best way to do it, is to open this site. It has been open now for a month with some basic info.

But what I really need is some advice on weather my introduction etc. is ok, or not.
I want it to be easyly understood and if possible not going to deep in technical things, I try to use the Granny (GrandMother) theory.

Is my opening page correct?
Am I miss leading anybody with my opening page?

Website: www.guia-linux.com

Thanks
John Marbella, Malaga Spain

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Bhavani Shankar (bhavi) said :
#1

Good work ! please keep it going and remember that we are all beginners leaning new things everyday and helping out each other.. And thats how the ubuntu community is .... :) I hope others too agree with me ... :D

Regards

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john hurleston (john-guia-group) said :
#2

Thanks Bhavani Shankar,

I need to know if my home page is miss leading, I dont want anybody to accuse me of saying things that are not true?

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Sam_ (and-sam) said :
#3

Free speech never excluded 'bugs'.
I guess you'll get feedback from community while they take a look through the sections.
Since there're lots of great pages around already they'll review and decide.
Concerning the 'call' you may add locals:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SpanishTeam
and maybe ask them why server never work.
http://www.ubuntu-es.org/

Good luck.

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zvacet (ivicakolic) said :
#4

"in case you didn't know Apple Macintosh uses Linux."

This is not right.See more about OS X http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X

I believe this is just overlook.Keep working.

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Tom (tom6) said :
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Yes, Apple's OS's are also based on Unix, just as linux is unix based but both are complete re-writes i think. The only other Unix based OSs i know of are the BSD ones but since we all share the same roots it often is fairly easy to migrate between the various parts of the *nix family. Sometimes the commands are exactly the same or quite similar and folder structures often make sense too. A good link there, thanks Zvacet :)

Lol, the Spanish website seemed fine to me except i don't understand Spanish :( Perhaps Adblock is blocking it for anyone who speaks Spanish?

I echo Bhavani Shankar, congrats and nicely done :)) Considering the amount of FUD and anti-linux nonsense out there it seems fair to assume that none of us really know the whole truth and hopefully we can just help each other gradually arrive at better approximations to the truth of things we care about. We have a lot of documentation here that you can point to as backing up assertions or to cover more ground quicker until you have your own version
https://help.ubuntu.com/community
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Signpost/Answers#contribute-documentation
Or as that 2nd link pointed out you are welcome to help improve and update your community documentation here.

Welcome to the linux community btw although you have been in it for ages now :)
Good luck, thanks and regards from
Tom :)

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john hurleston (john-guia-group) said :
#6

I suppose that it is import to mention, that I am an English guy living in Spain and as far as technical stuff goes, I need to learn/hear it in my native tongue, i.e. English, while a Spanish team exists ( and I will list them, when I open the Spanish language), I think it is necessary to have Linux Ubuntu in English for the English speakers living in Spain, Like my self.

Also, when talking about linux, people tend to get too technical and therefore loose the end user, I will try to do it in such a way that the enduser doesn't get lost or confused.

Did you know that people who don't like doors, sooner or later become thieves? Because they are forced to get stuff by hacking, cracking or illegal copies, So I think its a mater of teaching people what honesty means. In our world, they don't need to do such things, so it's a matter of re-education.

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Tom (tom6) said :
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The real meaning of hacking is different from the portrayal of it in the media. Usually when the word hacking is used (outside the linux-world) people really mean cracking, damaging, breaking into, harming. Generally peple have such a wrong idea about it that i find it a term worth avoiding.

In a world without walls who needs Windows? A 'doorway in' implies secret hidden corners for nasty stuff to lurk in. By making things Open so everyone can see their own way in it becomes impossible to hide malware.

People just starting with gnu&linux are seldom stupid and are usually quite capable of learning an amazing amount quite fast. Windows tries to hide everything so preventing people from being able to learn anything.

In gnu&linux each person has their own hurdles to overcome and learns a lot of very technical stuff very fast almost without realising it sometimes. There have been a lot of new sites started with this idea of keeping things simple for the new user but they inevitably fail in a way because although the writer was previously ignorant of linux technical knowledge he/she soon learns far more than they realise. This new knowledge creeps into the website and suddenly we find there's one more quite techie site that new users can't understand. Each person thinks they are unique and that this wont happen to them but it always does and yet because they really are unique all these sites continue to describe things from a slightly different perspective, not necessarily the one imagined would bring knowledge to a new user (by treating them as idiots to be protected from complexities) but inevitably doing just that - by describing the complex in a way that suddenly makes sense to someone else.

Perhaps as a long-term user you might be able to keep the site at about the same level throughout your development in gnu&linux but they say that the best way to learn is to teach so i guess maybe 'even you' (lol) will become more knowledgeable than you already are, by writing the site. It's a worthy goal & it looks nice already. Good luck with it :)

Something i would really like to see one day is a 'site for noobs' that references all these different sites providing links and explaining as it goes.

Good luck and regards from
Tom :)

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john hurleston (john-guia-group) said :
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Thanks for that, Tom,

In fact, I have always described myself as a professional end user, I have always been able to understand things quite quickly, even without the aid of a manual (all though very useful), my main product onemanoneworld.net is taking me for ever to explain, in a really simple manner, and I keep finding my self going in to technical stuff, which I then adjust to try to keep it really simple. (I own the first 3 pages of google with that domain name.)

I have been programming on unix systems all my life and I do already know a fair amount, I have already taught about 200 people computing, on a 1 to 1, basis, in schools and even to two teachers. I personally have used about 17 different programming languages in my life and today I work in php. (My next language will be python) People continually try to make me program the way they do and I always end up doing it my way.

The person that introduced me to linux and Gentoo, was himself a really simple person when programming and he was quite capable of explaining things in a simple manner. The next person that I met, who convinced me to use Ubuntu wanted to make things easy for everybody, but as you so correctly mentioned ended up being quite technical.

I will always use phrases or terms to insinuate the other o/s but, I profoundly refuse to mention their name directly un less I'm talking about apple mac. since mac is based on the unix system as mentioned yesterday.

Once again thank you for you input and I hope you come by my site guia-linux.com once in a while, at least to check up on me.

John

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john hurleston (john-guia-group) said :
#9

All of you, helped me to solve my problem on this thread, so it would probably be quite unfair if I choose just one.
Thanks again Tom ;)

John

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Tom (tom6) said :
#10

Hi :)

That does put a different slant on things. Given the good start already, this project seems to stand a lot more chance of fulfilling it's objectives than most. Also feel free to edit community documentation here if that helps.

Thanks, good luck and regards from
Tom :)

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john hurleston (john-guia-group) said :
#11

I think I need to add a little bit of personal info.

Although I have worked in most angles, I have always tried hard to avoid the very complicated things, like turbo C++ and (in those days linux and mac), but, I am older and wiser and I now know better. I am mainly a programmer, a little bit of a connectivity expert and today a proud owner of Ubuntu.

In my regional area (I don't known about the rest of the world):
I was the first person selling pocket computers
I was the first to sell (In this country) BBS (before the Internet)
I was the first "Computer man"
I was the first in making (not-spam) bluetooth message systems.
I was the first to make web-pages with a control panel
I was the first to make a real estate engine in a hub system.

Since I do not do things the same as others, I got very little recognition for my efforts, and my competition continually stole my ideas and claimed them as their own. (But that is quite normal in THAT world).

Today I have another first, but unfortunately I am not going say it here.

Maybe I can be the first to _really_ bring linux to the end user. ;)

I continue the great fight and hope to win shortly with my previously mentioned project.

John