Ubuntu Sucks – W a r n i n g !

I think you are loosing the main starting point... GNU http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU

Hope this helps

Yeah, funny. I used XP for years before I switched to Linux. Why did I switch? I don't like being locked in to things. Even though I switched I still supported several people on windows. Eventually I got away from that and only touched windows every now and again. Recently I broke down and decided to help someone reinstall their windows laptop (because I'm really not ready to support another person on ubuntu). I spent the first half an hour or so trying to get windows to even install with the "Gateway recovery cd", then I spent the next 5 hours tracking down drivers. After I got almost every driver I found that the audio driver *provided by Gateway* DOESN'T WORK!!! Not only that but several other people had the same problem. Apparently it's been broken for a while, and no one cares enough to fix it. People suggested using drivers offered by other vendors for the same hardware, but that didn't work. How can a driver designed for a piece of hardware not work? This would all be well and good, but the whole point of this guy's laptop is for use as an audio mixing station.
I also spent quite a while fighting some stupid driver conflict with the video...whatever.
Out of curiosity I dropped the ubuntu live cd in. Sound still didn't work, but I found a quick walk through on how to fix it within 10 seconds of searching. Everything else was detected properly. It even found the proprietary drivers for the video and wireless.... yeah, I didn't have to look at all.
When windows systems didn't have drivers I used to be able to use my usb nic, add the drivers for that, download the DriverGuide Toolkit, and let it find everything. That doesn't work anymore. Even when I knew the exact hardware I couldn't get the drivers. Sign up for this, pay for that. Someone paid for this hardware, now they have to pay to make it work???
If the roles were reversed Windows wouldn't have a chance. No one would settle for something as broken as XP, and XP is the best Microsoft has. Linux is free. All the programs are free. All the help is free and without strings. Everything in windows comes with some strings attached, somewhere. It's shareware. It needs to be registered. It's not open. Whatever. Look, computers suck. It just depends on what you're willing to take and if you're willing to accept something that messed up from something you pay for.

I've looked at your questions list. You spent so much time trying to convert your Ubuntu to XP... Don't waste the time, use XP. Ubuntu is not for you.

You should rename your "question" to "Ubuntu is not XP – W a r n i n g !"

This kind of 'rant' makes me sad. Not just because much of what has been written is not at the fault of Ubuntu, but also because the user has clearly had a bad time, and maybe received some bad advice, but would also seem he made mistakes.

I think it's worth pointing out that this user has used "launchpad answers" 127 times, to request support on issues he has been experiencing. I would love to see a support tracker where people are willing to help fellow users, for nothing in return.

Many of the issues he has pointed out are fixable, but it would seem that the user wanted Ubuntu to be XP - which it isn't. I would imagine the user would experience identical issues if he had tried Mac OSX, which is another good operating system, but it's still not XP.

Perhaps this user, if he wished to continue using Ubuntu, get some paid support (as perhaps community support isn't sufficient for his issues) or a course learning how to use another operating system. I feel the user is too ingrained in using a computer the 'XP way', to really benefit from superior software.

What i know about linux would not fill the back of a postage stamp if i wrote with a felt tip pen, but i tired of windows and all its problems saw a mag with UBUNTU on the front and decided to give it ago. it installed it works no problems no tinkering and no cost!

>Loading a doc in Writer takes 14 seconds. Loading a Word doc on XP takes me 3 seconds! Wow!
Try to open ODF in MS Word. How much time does it take?

Taurus here is the same of taurus5 here

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/search.php?s=3858083f9f1046f3b60d6e472f945321&searchid=2887943

with 424 questions made about linux plus 127 here

Taurus questions total 551 and community answer every time...

I think you must only be grateful to community

Good bye

OpenOffice opens and saves documents in Microsoft format and now can automatically save things in Microsoft Office format. It's not so tricky nowadays, maybe it used to be.

Please, you considered expulsed to launchpad.

Dear Taurus
Sorry to say, but it sucks to be you.
I'm not a computer geek - I love my laptop and am on it almost 24/7. I've just moved from Windows Vista to Ubuntu, I had hiccups with alot of things, but this community has been patient, kind, friendly and overall just FANTASIC. Does windows have this support? NO, duh. If you are upset don't diss linux. I love, my kids love it and we're all happy. In fact, I downloaded the Edubuntu for them. I've got my 15 yr son doing homeword (getting improved marks within a week of using) and a 2 yr daughter who I help play games. Does Windows have this for free - I don't think so.

Don't diss this community of support - they've done absolutely nothing wrong. Rather retract your question or at least give an apology. They deserve it.

Dear <email address hidden>
sorry to say, but it must suck to be a geek like you.
and correction: you are a computer geek when you defend an o/s with such fervor. and anyone can get far more support for xp than for ubuntu since the net has far more forums dedicated to helping those with xp issues than with linux issues... DUHHHHH!!! and your statement, "if you are upset dont diss linux" doesnt make any sense because if you were even a bit intelligent - which would be an improvement - you would no doubt see that this is not a diss, it's a critique. if you fail to see the difference, go back and read my article fully instead of reading just a small piece then passing judgement on it.

next time, be a real man in assessing people's reviews. you should retract your statement or at least apologize to me.

and good luck educating your dumb kids on ubuntu... i'm sure they'll have no problems with their computer skills when they have to face windows in school and at work when they mature. your such a great dad.

jacobS, re-articulate your statement, unless it was directed to someone else.

marcobra, i am very grateful to the community. it's not your fault, it's linux's fault. hope you understand. thanks.

Alexander Zolotko , i opened ODF in XP and it takes me 3 secs to open it.

dave walker, i had no idea that you have god-like powers and can actually see what goes on inside of other people's computers. i wish i had that trick. anyway, to surely correct you, 1) i'm not ranting, 2) i didn't make any mistakes in ubuntu, and 3) i never recieved bad advice. i did everything that i was supposed to do in order to make ubuntu work properly. at the end, ubuntu has failed. i am now very happy with xp that doesn't give me any problems, boots up in less than 30 secs, launches apps quickly and smoothly, doesn't make me suffer through sleepless nights, and best of all, WORKS the way i want it to!

it's interesting that you stated the following:
"I think it's worth pointing out that this user has used "launchpad answers" 127 times, to request support on issues he has been experiencing. I would love to see a support tracker where people are willing to help fellow users, for nothing in return."

my response is: i had to use launchpad more than 127 times to fix ubuntu's idiocy. if ubuntu works as well as you and your geek clan say it does, i shouldn't have to visit a "forum" to get this crap, ubuntu, to work... 127 TIMES !!!! do you know how many times i visited a forum dedicated to xp to help me with it?? Z-E-R-O !!!!

you also stated this:
"Many of the issues he has pointed out are fixable, but it would seem that the user wanted Ubuntu to be XP - which it isn't. I would imagine the user would experience identical issues if he had tried Mac OSX, which is another good operating system, but it's still not XP."

my reply: ha ha !!! fixable??! are you sober?? if the issues were fixable, explain why they weren't fixed? and i do agree with you, ubuntu is not xp... yes, unfortunately. and i bet you if you had tried xp you would tthrow ubuntu out the window. how can you tolerate openoffice which is slow as hell, and slow scrolling in apps?

then you mentioned this idiocy:
"Perhaps this user, if he wished to continue using Ubuntu, get some paid support (as perhaps community support isn't sufficient for his issues) or a course learning how to use another operating system. I feel the user is too ingrained in using a computer the 'XP way', to really benefit from superior software."

righhht! sure, fella... i'll definitely continue with ubuntu... sureeeeeee! i think a course in training you on how to use a good operating system like mac or windows will do you some good instead of following the nerd herd into using a system that i bet you're hiding behind and using in misery. keep following the herd.

and i loooove xp. it does everything i want it to my way, NOT the developers way, which is ubuntu's trademark. continue using ubuntu, buddy. i'm sure you and it are made for each other.

Alexander Zolotko , i think i should rename my post: 'Ubuntu Wishes It Were XP - W A R N I N G'

Alexander Zolotko, you spent so much time in looking me up and my questions, which is weirdo like. it seems as though you're more interested in me than in my article. don't waste the time. continue using slow ubuntu. fast systems like xp aren't for you since you're the type that doesn't like good and fast systems. i guess this is the reason why you still participate in this forum since you continue to have problems with ubuntu.

syn66, i do appreciate your reply. however, i just can't believe your story about your freind who has suffered from driver issues on his gateway laptop because i own a gateway laptop and have no problems with my drivers. as a matter of fact, i even used oem drivers - which is not recommended by gateway, by the way, since they recommend i use theirs - and they works like a charm! on ubuntu, i'd have to scour the net for help, go on forums, and hopefully - yes hopefully - find a fix. in most cases, i'd find fixes but they never optimized my computer. ubuntu is just a slow system with many hiccups. i can only imagine that the reason why some are drawn to it has more to do with hating M$ than with functionality. this is the only reason i can offer since i refuse to believe that some are able to settle for a system that is so damn slow and problematic!

marcobra, i think YOU are loosing the main point. GNU or the idea of free unix-like software has NOTHING to do with my experiences with ubuntu. ok, ubuntu is a free sotware, now what? it still sucks! that's the point!

Taurus ok
To solve your question... might be some other Linux distribution can be better for you
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Linux_distributions

If you don't like, and you think is not for you, please don't use Gnu Linux...

There are many other sysop like Openbsd, Freebsd, Opensolaris... and many other.
Try cloud http://www.thinkgos.com/cloud.php operative system http://www.thinkgos.com/

There are also proprietary closed software... i suggest you the more used XP and/or Vista but i suggest you MacOsx (Unix based) then also suggest you the future of sysop the cloud websysop.

Or you are still negative please write some programming code to make Linux better... or please don't use computer at all.

The best uman creation was done without computer, i mean Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, Raffaello, Dante, Verdi, Puccini, Mozart and many other... i think computer is not so important.

Thank you

Taurus, as someone who tried to help you on several occasions I have to admit this is not unexpected. No offense, but you never really tried to change. You always seemed to feel xp was best and you just wanted to make Ubuntu into a free xp. That is a failed approach and your extensive list of questions is proof. MANY people do just fine migrating to Ubuntu and Linux. All major PC makers now have at least one Linux PC for sale (HP just announced theirs today). Linux is a viable alternative but it certainly isn't for everyone. If you were truly interested in helping people, you would have titled your post "warning, not all users will be ready for Ubuntu". I have used Ubuntu exclusively for over 3 years now and I've had few issues outside of the initial 6 months while I was learning and adjusting to a new way of doing things. That is normal and expected and in fact the more you know windows the longer the transition as you have to unlearn habits that are counter productive in Linux.

Ciao

marcobra, if you don't like the fact that i like and use xp, then don't make non-sensical suggestions about me 'writing code' for linux. i just explained to you through my article my dislike for linux. in my thread i explained that: 1) i no longer use it, 2) highly dislike it, and 3) explained this in my thread. if you don't understand xp, then i you shouldn't use a computer at all. windows may be too easy and comfortable for you.

also, i don't appreciate you mentioning italians. what do italians have to do with computers? italians are known for art, painting, and mafia killings. the best inventors in the world were white, not italian... newton, neils bohr, kepler, copernicus, maxwell, faraday, tycho brahe, and many many more are all white, not italian.

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taurus, thanks for taking the time to write about your experience. Sorry Ubuntu didn't live up to your expectations.

Many problems related to hardware belong to the category "this vendor never designed this hardware to work with Linux", which is the case for Gateway. In some cases it may work anyways, when manufacturers publish specs and existing drivers for the same hardware are already present. But that's only a tiny part of it. I believe another part of your bad experience came from expecting to find a commercial operating system with commercial components (like Flash and MS Office) when Ubuntu clearly isn't that. Even though there are huge exceptions to being only free software (as in freedom) such as facilitating proprietary drivers & codecs), Ubuntu does require some work to get going - otherwise it couldn't be free (as in beer).

I am not justifying or defending anything, just providing some hints to better understand why it is the way it is.

Regardless of your bad experience, I think anyone responding here should take a big breath and learn from this situation. Reading the Ubuntu Code of Conduct helps keeping a useful, civil tone.

I'd suggest anyone introducing new users to Ubuntu takes a look at http://www.getgnulinux.org/ - although I don't like the Microsoft bashing tone, most of it describes briefly and clearly the advantages of using Linux and what to expect.

Last but not least, I see 74 of the 127 questions asked by taurus marked as "Solved", while I see 0 answers converted to bug reports - to all Answers subscribers out there remember another way to help solve some of the issues is to convert some of those questions to bug reports. Surely there is a lot to learn from those 127 questions. I'll personally be reading each one of them over the next few weeks as I am intrigued as to what could have gone so wrong.

@taurus, once again thanks for sharing your frustration, good luck with your new choices in software.

Fabián Rodríguez, thanks for your reply. a few thoughts. i can understand your statement about hardware and software not being compatible with linux due to the overwelming commercialization in favor of M$. but, that doesn't justify against the bad experience i had with ubuntu.

for one, i expected ubuntu live up to my expectations given the hoopla about it being "so much better" than windows, which is propaganda advertised all over the net by M$-hating geeks. this is a given. second, there are sooooo many complaints about ubuntu that is ain't even funny. for example, it's bloated with necessary fluff (6 GB hardrive versus 3.5 GB hardrive for XP). and one of the biggest complaint i've seen on the net by users is the slow scrolling in its apps which i'd experience and couldn't understand in a system that's purported to be "better" and "faster" than xp.

lastly, you mentioned that 74 of my issues were marked as "solved" by me in this forum, for which i'm grateful. however, "solved" doesn't mean solved; it only means "improved". for example, my scrolling in writer improved by lowering my color depth. the issue was improved, but not completely solved since scrolling was still slow, albeit less so. another hiccup was slow bootup and slow loading of apps. even though i had disabled more than 40 services, bootup improved (by only 8 secs) which took a minute and a half. on xp, it takes me 28 secs to bootup. apps load in 8 - 14 secs. in xp, word takes 3 secs; opera takes 4 secs. these are the regular complaints i have read about constantly in forums. so, just to recap, even though 74 of my questions were "solved" doesn't mean that the answers rendered my system completely optimized. i've NEVER had to visit a forum for issues on xp because i've never had any issues with it.

and when people here state that ubuntu isn't xp, they actually shoot themselves in the foot with that statement because they'd rather stay with a system that they know is slow and cumbersome by nature than with windows or mac. again, the only reasons why they torture themselves with it is probably because 1) it shoots up their ego when using commands rather than a gui to improve upon a fledgling system, or 2) they hate microsoft so much because of bad experiences with windows, or because to them M$ symbolizes evil control in corporate america, or 3) the "we against them" mindset where they think it's cool because their friends use it, so the hell with everyone else, or 4) an honest desire to help build an alternative solution, or 5) they're attracted to the cute little compiz effects and think it must be better than windows because windows doesn't have any of those eye candies.

These are the reasons i can come up with in light of my one-on-one interactions with ubuntu users, with those on forums, and with my own personal experiences.

this said, again, i just can't understand why people would opt for a system that causes so many headaches and problems rather than use one that is virtually trouble free. i just don't get it.

Gee Thanks for Warning!!!
You see, I have been doing something wrong all this time.
My WIN XP takes three times longer to boot than Ubuntu, even after I removed countless services from it.
I don't have to reformat anything, and don't know anyone who does.
Perhaps your frequent need for reformating is an indication that your 286 may finally need replacing.
Another terrible mistake I make, somehow my Open Office word processor refuses to do all the stupid things I got used to with MS Word. And it prints high quality output and puts it where it belongs.
It doesn't change anything on it's own (and then resist any correction), like Word does.
And Ubuntu lacks speed control, it's much faster then WIN XP.
Firefox 3.0 for Linux just flies, baby.
BTW, your Word doesn't load anything in 3 secs. It takes longer than that just to load the stupid DLLs.
But anyway, if you are not happy with Ubuntu, I am sure they will give you your money back !!!!!!

im a relatively new linux user and i started my linux experience with ubuntu and yes u are right in many of ur points (slow, blotted etc) but as it was mentioned above linux is not for everyone! yes not all my devices work and some i even did test if they work but i dont care about those because i do not need them. I am not using linux because it is faster than my XP or because it can do things that I need that I couldnt do in XP with the same ease. I use it and i contribute to it because I like to help ppl and I like to be part of a community, I like that the whole system is transparent and I can easily see what is going on behind the scenes and because linux gave me back the thirst to learn about computers. If you do not like these things then linux is NOT for you. you will be much more happy with xp (as u mentioned u already are happy with xp) or macOS. I used xp (and windows) for many years and I was pretty happy with it. Most things worked just fine without any tweaking and the system was pretty stable and didnt cause too many problems (i did have some huge problems with blue screens at the beginning but that wasnt really xp's fault).

I think trying to "force" ppl to use linux is wrong but unfortunately there are a lot of linux-fanboys who hate MS and will say anything to get everyone to leave windows. I also think that using ubuntu to refer to the GNU/Linux OS is completely wrong! You tried ubuntu and you were not happy. That is ok but pls dont use your ubuntu experience to talk about the whole GNU/Linux OS. It is NOT the same thing. I also wasnt totally happy with Ubuntu and I switched distro and I am happy now. Yes all distros share the kernel and many apps but not all distros are the same!

I am happy with linux but again linux is not for everyone. This does not make it a crappy OS. If you think that most of its devs are hobbyists who just offer their work free of charge for you to do anything you want with it, then imho it is pretty great..

@taurus i am sorry that you had a terrible ubuntu experience and i am glad that you are happy with xp. Everyone deserves to have an OS with which he is happy!

cheers
Nikolas

Mike Cap, for one, it'll do you and others some good if you can stop lying about how fast your system is. secondly, word in my xp actually does load up in 3 secs. the reason why you're so stunned is because your ubuntu system can't load in the same amount of time. i think little Mike Cap is suffering from a classic case of buyer's remorse. this occurs when people such as Mike buy into the idea of switching products then later regret doing so because he's now stuck with a product - or system in this case - that doesn't work. however, he's too proud and slow to switch back because doing so will admit defeat on his part. slowness, by the way, is a symptom of this mental state.

we understand your pain, little Mike... we understand... just let it all out.

little mike said the following:
"But anyway, if you are not happy with Ubuntu, I am sure they will give you your money back !!!!!!"

ahem.... ubuntu is free.... DUHHHHHH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nikolas, i truly do appreciate your reply. thank you for that. however, you made the following statement which kind of bothered me:

This is what you said:
"I use it and i contribute to it because I like to help ppl and I like to be part of a community,"

Now, i hope you're not using ubuntu because you want "to be part of a community". If that's the case, then you're using ubuntu for the wrong reasons. anyway, i enjoyed your response to me. take care.

@taurus: you did not quote the whole sentence from my text. yes I like to be part of the community (linux community in general not ubuntu in particular) but this is not the only reason I switched to Linux. I also mentioned a couple of other reasons I switched. But in any case I dont think that it really matters why I switched to linux. I had my reasons for switching and you have your reasons for trying ubuntu and deciding that it is not for you and everyone should respect your reasons (and mine).

I just want to clarify something you said "If that's the case, then you're using ubuntu for the wrong reasons". I am not using Ubuntu anymore and I have a number of reasons for this (you already mentioned some of them). I just help a bit in Launchpad with questions which are not really ubuntu specific.

Any way, thank you for taking the time to read what I wrote and to respond to it!

cheers
Nikolas

Nikolas, the please was all mine... have a god one buddy!

Uh, what exactly does "the best inventors in the world were white, not italian... newton, neils bohr, kepler, copernicus, maxwell, faraday, tycho brahe, and many many more are all white, not italian" mean?

Not only does that sound quite racist but is utterly stupid as well. Lets see, by your calculation Danes, Poles, English, Germans, etc are "white" but not Italians. I believe a common definition of "white" is "of European decent" and Italy is in Europe. As for the "best inventors" lets not forget that the entire Renaissance originated in Italy and spawned revolutions in fields from art to literature to science. And what about DaVinci, Galileo, Marconi, Volta among other who are Italian and among the "best inventors".

Given that this post is little more than trolling, I'm surprised someone hasn't marked it "invalid" yet.

This is spam - Rejected.

Jim, most true white people don't consider italians white. Just because you're in europe doesn't mean you're white. And just to corect you, marconi never invented the radio first. It was Tesla - go look that up. Also, a Spaniard innovator predated the invention that you think volta invented. The best inventors were white. The other italians you mentioned only contributed to the arts, not science. If you think that Newton isn't considered one of "the best inventors/scientists" then you're absolutely ignorant.

 It looks like you've got some italian in you, otherwise you wouldn't be so fired up about my comment. It looks like you're not entirely white yourself.

I'm ignorant? Pretty big claim for someone who knows little to nothing about me. I may be stupid, however, for continuing a conversation with someone who is what, 12? Probably not because you claim to have used computers for 13 years but you act 12. "Most true white people?" Now there is some intelligent conversation. I try not to label people, but fwiw I'm mainly Scottish/German background but like most white people I'm a mutt. I don't know if have any Italian but as far as I know I don't. But if I'm not entirely white in your eyes I don't really care.

I don't recall saying anything about Newton not being a great inventor. What I did say is that there are others who are also great inventors. As for who invented the radio, that isn't a cut and dry issue but Marconi is part of the mix (and many others besides Tesla) so clearly an important individual. Not sure what you think I think Volta invented but the "Voltaic battery" is named after him and he is credited with the first electrochemical cell. And DaVinci is also considered among the great inventors.

However, none of that really matters. The point I was trying to make is that claiming something like "the best inventors are white" is ignorant, racist and not in line with the Ubuntu spirit. You have expressed your dissatisfaction with Ubuntu and now are just trolling.

yup maybe you need a cray super comp mate !!!!!!

JIm, you're a really funny character. Why don't you brush up on who the real inventors in history were. While you're at it. you'll no doubt come across "inventors" who were so named because certain ethnic groups (italian, namely) pressured government to accept false claims that an italian invented the radio. I truly hope that you do research such a topic then get back to me. Otherwise, you're just as ignorant as they come. By the way, you seriously don't come across as white. Any true white man prides his history with enough dignity and honor to defend his white race anywhere, anytime.

And if you knew anything about computers - which you obviously don't - you wouldn't be joining the bandwagon of geeks who switch to ubuntu at the cost of an efficient and fast system - hint: windows. You're just part of the herd; a loner who can't be accepted outside cyberspace, let alone, mommy's house.

We imagine what you're going through is not easy. Don't worry though. You can always buy a blow up doll of a female and pretend she's ubuntu and play with her until she deflates (like ubuntu), then go out and get a real woman (windows).

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well then try gentoo mate ! for optimization.....:)

Bhavani, you still don't get it. LINUX SUCKS ... DUHHHHHHH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!